Mike met Joe in the really early 200s when they were both living in Southern California. Mike ended up settling down in the San Francisco Bay Area and each week the two friends call one another on this podcast and catch up on the latest gossip, funny stories, and news that's affecting L.A. and San Francisco.

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Mike Lawson

Mike began podcasting back in 2007 when he was working for a Boys & Girls Club. There he helped kids create a weekly podcast of news and gossip.

In 2010, Mike and his friend Brian Gregory launched a new podcast called The Game Night Guys. Each week Mike and Brian would play a game and chat about their lives. After Mike moved to San Francisco in 2013, Brian kept playing games with others and ultimately played a last round of games on the final episode published in late 2016.

Mike also wrote and published short stories in a podcast called What Some Would Call Lies, which has now been wiped from the internet and may never be heard again. WSWCL published from 2013 through 2016 and contained stories from Mike's laugh in no particular order and told as accurately as Mike saw fit.

Mike now works for a theater company in San Francisco. 

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Joe Betance

Joe Betance is a writer, educator and podcaster from Southern California.

Joe started in the world of podcasting with a small show that he recorded with a couple of friends. Joe has successfully scrubbed the internet of that podcast. Frustrated with the failure of the podcast but still interested in podcasting, Joe was delighted when Mike Lawson invited him to start a podcast called Catching Up with him in the winter of 2013.

Joe Betance (with Daniel Brewer) also started the podcast RuPaul’s Drag Race Recap. He also is the producer of the podcast Bookish with Sonya Walger. Since 2016, Joe has also been a regular panelist on Sirius XM/ Entertainment Weekly Radio’s “One on One with Larry Flick.”

Joe Betance is also the founder of Undergrad Prep, a non-profit corporation that provides free test preparation and college counseling services to high school students from underrepresented backgrounds.